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so most discussions of religion and

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spiritual practices center on dogmas and

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beliefs

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either of a particular religion or a

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comparison across faiths i however would

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like to look at religions and spiritual

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practices

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that are an integral part of every

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religion

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from the perspective of what i am which

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is a consciousness experimentalist

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and i want to set aside all the dogmas

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and beliefs and sectarianism and all of

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that

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and look at the sort of fundamentals

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because when i look at a religion any

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religion as an experimentalist what i

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see is a cohort of people consensually

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holding a world view

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the process by which that world view

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emerges seems to me very much like

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thomas coon's description of the

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paradigm process

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the paradigm in religion is defined by

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scripture and dogma not research and

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theory and unlike science there is not

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one religious paradigm but superficially

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the paradigms differ in many ways

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at a superficial level but they all have

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one thing in common all of them are

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centered on the aspect of consciousness

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that in science we call the non-local

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and that is now being explicitly

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researched in several disciplines using

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a variety of protocols such as

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near-death studies therapeutic intention

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work and remote viewing

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in religion the individual experience of

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non-local awareness is called spirit

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the eternal aspect of the self is

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religion's soul

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it is a concept amenable i think to

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objective verification

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we see one aspect in the near-death

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studies and thanks to the research at

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the division of perceptual studies at

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the university of virginia school of

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medicine we also know something about

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continuity of consciousness

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because of the extraordinary

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decades-long project led by two

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generations of physicians ian stevenson

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and when he retired in 2002 then jim

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tucker

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they have been studying reincarnation in

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the most methodical and rigorous manner

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and their research really has something

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important to say

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the data from this research like that on

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ndes presents a compelling objectively

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measured case for the continuity of

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consciousness

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and while i am on it i think it's

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notable that although consciousness is

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often conceived of in physics terms some

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of the most important insights about

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consciousness have come from medicine

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the research on ndes therapeutic

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contention reincarnation are all

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examples of that

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as a researcher enduring religions seem

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to me examples of empirical science

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and that's really the way that i look at

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i use the term enduring religions to

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distinguish from transitory cults

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because there is a difference all of the

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enduring faiths over generations and

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their histories developed a kind of in

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an empirical neurobiology involving

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opening to non-local consciousness

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reality of non-local consciousness in

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all religions

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may think otherwise but for the bulk of

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whatever kind of religion it was hold

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the idea that there is continuity of

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all religions rituals are designed to

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to train a person to attain and sustain

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the mechanism to do this is grounded in

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the rituals the religious equivalent in

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my view of scientific protocols

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of attaining and sustaining

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intention-focused awareness even though

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it expressed in many different ways

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is that through meditation particularly

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religions teach us how to open to

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in consciousness research we confirm the

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wisdom of that religious uh anthropology

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meditators routinely do better at

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non-local tasks than non-meditators

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intention or any other non-local task

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meditators can attain and sustain

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intention-focused awareness better than

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experience but the assessment we make of

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through the culture of our worldview

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consciousness not through faith but in

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the in objectively verifiable ways we

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shared world view that facts matter

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faith's birth cradle regardless of

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domination a denomination dogma or

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individual who experiences a non-local

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consciousness event almost nobody ever

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of arada kalama a teacher of meditation

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can attain is a quote a state of

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he writes this is a quote

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regularity of the dhamma which in this

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knowledge of the nirvana i apologize by

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the way for my mispronunciation i know

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passing away and rebirth of all living

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beings and finally insight into what he

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history although the buddha's insight

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twist he saw that beings are reborn

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revelation in a cave called hera where

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he had gone to meditate and the

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religion however if they are recognized

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the dogma and their perception of its

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orthodoxy but it all begins with one

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with that foundation it isn't really

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surprising that the rituals of religion

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all seek to give practitioners a measure

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of focused control over mind and body

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may be able to open to the non-local

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inevitably the paths incorporate some

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consciousness develop by empirical

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incorporeal feeling of connecting with a

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greater conscious unity

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in the new testament spirit is described

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as that aspect of consciousness wherein

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a direct relationship with god is

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possible

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it is the spiritual aspect that enables

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continuing conversation with the divine

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spirit

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totem like totems like rosaries prayer

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beads religious statues and structured

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prayers help the follower to develop

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intention-focused awareness which

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research has shown is again the key to

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opening to non-local awareness

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the 16th century christian saint and

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carmelite mystery

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mystic

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saint teresa of avila counseled and this

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is a quote

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this magnificent refuge is inside you

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enter

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shatter the darkness that shrouds the

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doorway be bold be humble

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put away the incense and forget the

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incantations they taught you ask no

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permission from the authorities that's

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very interesting coming from catholic

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not

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close your eyes and follow your breath

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to the still place that leads to the

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invisible path that leads you home

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follow your breath i mean listen to me

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think about that it's a statement from a

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medieval roman catholic that a buddhist

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or a hindu could comfortably have made

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and one did

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potentially thought to be the author of

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the famous yoga sutras is one of those

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mysterious figures from the ancient past

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we have only the single name have no

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idea where exactly he was born or even

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exactly when he lived the best that both

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eastern and western scholars can do

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is say that it was somewhere between the

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fourth and second centuries bce almost

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certainly born a hindu he apparently

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studied a number of spiritual traditions

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in his personal quest as indicated by

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the fact that he wrote his famous sutras

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in a hybrid buddhist hindustan sanskrit

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it's clear that he understood

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spirituality as a matter of

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consciousness something not restricted

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not restricted to any one religion

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because the sutras speak at length about

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moving into non-local awareness through

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meditation

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a good friend of many of us psychologist

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william broad who made a particular

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study of this noted and this is a quote

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the sixth seventh and eight limbs of

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ashtanga yoga are

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our

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dharana

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concentration

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diana meditation and samad

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samani samani

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profound absorption respectively end

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quote

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potentially refines this further rod

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explains saying the repeated

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continuation or uninterrupted stream of

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that one point of focus is called

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absorption in meditation diana and is

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the seventh of the eight steps

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when these three are practiced together

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the composite process is called samoyama

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samoyama might be translated as

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constraint

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thorough complete or perfect restraint

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or full control or complete focus it

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might also be translated as communion or

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samyama conveys a sense of knowing

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through being and awareness though

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through becoming what is known

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through mastery of samyama comes inside

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and through its progressive application

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in stages come knowledge of the self and

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the various principles of reality

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with increasing yogic practice comes a

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variety of mystical unitive experiences

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states conditions or fulfillments the

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various samadhi's

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along with their attainments and powers

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the linkage with the non-local and the

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creation of a sacred space

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is another manifestation of

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consciousness threaded throughout

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religions through time and across time

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and geography and culture

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there's always a dedicated place to meet

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that's interesting in itself whether

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it's a temple a cathedral a synagogue or

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an etruscan outbreak

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why does this place issue seem to matter

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so much

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is there something objectively

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verifiable about sacred space

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beyond the obvious psychological

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emotional importance

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the non-local consciousness research

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suggests that there is it is

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a sacred space

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is become sacred because it is more

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numinous

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carl jung described numenosity thus

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quote we should not be in the least

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surprised if the empirical

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manifestations of unconscious contacts

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bear all the marks of something

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illimitable something not determined by

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space-time this quality is numinous

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pneumonia are psychic entire

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young says numina or psychic entire

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i think the research confirms that

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pneumona which i believe should be

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thought of as non-local information

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that luminosity is a kind of non-local

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information architecture that can be

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detected by consciousness and to some

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degree manipulated through

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intention-focused awareness

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the more frequently attention is focused

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on anything the more it develops

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numinous qualities which may be of a

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positive or a negative valence

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the more numinous the object the easier

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it becomes for others to unconsciously

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sense this quality numerous constructs

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excite a stronger psychophysical

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response than mundane objects as such

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they can be unconsciously discriminated

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discriminated from

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less numinous objects

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in remote viewing research for instance

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we know that targets of greater

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luminosity are easier to perceive than

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targets that may have similar physical

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characteristics but are less numinous

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functionally that means that chartres

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cathedral is easier to see than a french

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warehouse of the same size now why is

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that

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it's because i think chartres cathedral

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from the moment of its conception

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for all the centuries since

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that moment has been the focus of

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unnumbered acts of intention awareness

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experienced in a heightened state of

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emotion

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in contrast nobody pays any attention to

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warehouses nor do they evoke much

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emotion even when they are noticed

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this uh this non-local intention effect

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also extends to substances

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we associate with the

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substances that we associate with

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uh with religious rituals like water and

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wine

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sacred is so ancient

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its origins are lost in deep time

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but the question is why should such a

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linkage exist

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the obvious answer in the case of water

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is that human life is not possible

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without it

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perhaps that's the reason it is the

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primordial element in most creation

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myths

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examples the acero babylonian gods that

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arose from the melding of salt tiomat

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and sweet potable water absu the

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egyptian sun god ohm

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who arose from the world ocean

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none the judeo-christian bible begins

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with god dividing the waters genesis 1

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1 6.

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the story of humanity is dotted with

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sacred rivers springs and lakes it's

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been a fundamental belief in many

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religions that praying focusing

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therapeutic intention on water

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transforms it in some way making it

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sacred

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it is an idea that dates back into deep

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time and yet it continues down to the

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present day the christian faiths of

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roman catholicism eastern orthodoxy

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coptic christianity oriental orthodoxy

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hold to this dogma as does anglicanism

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it is a cultural aspect of water that is

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well recognized and widely discussed in

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anthropology history and theology but

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almost never from the perspective that

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something objectively measurable is

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actually happening

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is this only a belief an article of

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faith or is it another example of an

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insight concerning non-local

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consciousness

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gained through close empirical

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observation evolving across generations

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does anything actually change in the

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water that is the focus of intention

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awareness something that can be

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objectively measured is this change

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physical or subjective and aesthetic or

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both

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it is the second aspect of sacred water

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that i wish to focus on here

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there are a number of studies directly

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addressing the question is there a

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physical change that can be objectively

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measured the answer through replicated

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spectroscopy studies including my own

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using well-established protocols

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employed in laboratories

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around the world

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is yes there is a physically objectively

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measurable change here's an example

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in the study that i did through standard

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techniques of infrared spectrophotometry

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sterile water samples and randomly

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selected steel sealed vials showed

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alteration of their infrared spectra

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compared to controls after being exposed

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to the palms of hands of both practicing

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and non-practicing therapeutic

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therapeutic practitioners each of whom

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employed a personal variation of the

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laying on of hands therapeutic touch

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rituals

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this pilot study presents 14 cases

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involving 14 practitioners and 14

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recipients

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and it produced

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a

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the second hypothesis

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which is assumed is that there exists

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some kind of relationship between the

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intensity of the effect and the time of

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the exposure but this was not confirmed

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in my study or in in the studies done by

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douglas dean which what prompted me to

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do it this study replicates earlier

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findings under conditions of blindness

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randomicity several levels of controls

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and um there are no

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uh things like

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temperature

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bio uh uh

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biometric pressure

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um

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handling any of those things that can

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explain the effect

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beginning in 1994 japanese researcher

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mazuru omoto

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had had the idea to freeze double

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distilled water

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and freeze the snow crystals from the

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water and observe through a microscope

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the snow the snow crystals that form

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and his idea was to see if various

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stimuli to which the water was exposed

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would change people's aesthetic

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experience this is very interesting

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so because what this research is telling

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us is not only can there be an objective

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change but there can be an upset

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a subjective aesthetic change which can

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be measured

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he showed alphabet's letters to the

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water he presented pictures to the water

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he played music to the water he then

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froze the water and had people look at

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the snow crystals comparing their

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aesthetic experience to that of the

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treated water with identical water that

575
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:24,080
was not a focus of such therapeutic

576
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:25,120
intention

577
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,880
and there were differences

578
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,559
the pictures of the snow crystals make

579
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:30,559
it obvious if you look at them i can't

580
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:33,440
show them but you can look at them

581
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,960
he also directed emoto also directed the

582
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,720
address the question

583
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,240
as to whether intention-focused

584
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,480
awareness using the ritual of prayer

585
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:44,240
caused to change and once again he found

586
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,440
that it did

587
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,280
the water upon which intention had been

588
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,200
focused produced crystals that were

589
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,880
judged to be more aesthetically

590
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,280
appealing when compared to controlled

591
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:55,919
snow crystals of water that had not been

592
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,590
dean rayden known to all of us chief

593
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,360
scientist at the institute for nomadic

594
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:07,520
sciences took up this question

595
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,480
because the emoto stuff was

596
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,720
was became controversial

597
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,880
and he created a variation of a moto's

598
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,720
protocol that in my view dealt with all

599
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,400
the issues advanced

600
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:20,799
uh all the criticisms that were advanced

601
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,480
to emoto's work and in 2006 braden's

602
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,080
team reported these results the

603
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,880
hypothesis of quote the hypothesis that

604
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:30,880
water treated with intention can affect

605
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:33,840
ice crystals formed that water

606
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,240
formed from that water was pilot tested

607
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:38,720
under double-blind conditions a group of

608
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,559
approximately 2 000 people in tokyo

609
00:23:47,549 --> 00:23:45,360
focused positive intentions toward water

610
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,559
samples located inside an

611
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,159
electromagnetically shielded room in

612
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,679
petaluma

613
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,080
that group was unaware of similar water

614
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,240
samples set aside in a different

615
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,120
locations which served as controls

616
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,120
ice crystals formed from both sets of

617
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,440
water samples were blindly identified

618
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,520
and photographed by an analyst and the

619
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,240
resulting images were blindly assessed

620
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:10,559
for aesthetic appeal by a hundred

621
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,200
different independent judges the results

622
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,039
indicated that crystals from the treated

623
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,279
water were given higher scores for

624
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:19,760
aesthetic appeal than those

625
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,190
so the oldest archaeological evidence of

626
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,440
wine dates to

627
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:33,200
thousand to six

628
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:34,320
six

629
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,279
fermented beverage comprised of rice

630
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,240
honey and hawthorne fruit and grape

631
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,720
a joint american research team led by

632
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,600
our archaeologist patrick mcgovern from

633
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,200
the pennsylvania museum recovered

634
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:51,840
residue and pottery vessels found in

635
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,799
jihad china in the yellow river valley

636
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,799
during the excavations of a neolithic

637
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,000
village

638
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,400
this predates by about 500 years the

639
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:03,120
earliest prior evidence of wine found in

640
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,640
the middle east

641
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,279
yesterday i talked about this

642
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,679
i i took a

643
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:11,840
uh i decided to test whether though

644
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,320
there was something in the wine that

645
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,039
would be subjectively aesthetically

646
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:19,520
different if it was focused to intention

647
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:20,720
awareness

648
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:23,679
because wine plays such a big role

649
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:26,400
in so many religions particularly i mean

650
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,950
goodness the word is long gone from my

651
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,520
head christian uh anyway the religious

652
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,640
ceremony

653
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:38,720
at during a roman catholic service or

654
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:39,760
christian

655
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,840
protestant

656
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,720
service um

657
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:44,960
there is something about that has been

658
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:47,600
around now for thousands of years of of

659
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:48,880
the priests

660
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,640
blessing the water as the wine

661
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,200
and that in some way it is transformed

662
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,200
so i wanted to see whether that was

663
00:26:04,549 --> 00:25:59,600
really true and measurable

664
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,559
so i took wine i buy a bottle of wine

665
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:06,880
750 milliliter

666
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,440
and uh just standard wine you'd buy if

667
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,799
you were going to go to somebody's house

668
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:12,640
for a dinner party

669
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:16,400
and i uh split the wine into two 375

670
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,760
milliliter carafes and i took those to

671
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:21,919
friends with three friends and and i

672
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,840
said to

673
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,400
them

674
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:27,039
i'm going to uh i'm going to make a big

675
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,320
wine bye

676
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,320
and i'm down to two wines and could

677
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,480
could you have

678
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,880
seven people come over to your house

679
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,200
and test these two wines and tell me

680
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,600
which one they think is better

681
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,240
then i what they did they did not know i

682
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:43,919
didn't tell the party giver or the

683
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,159
people that did the testing was that i

684
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:48,400
took one of the crafts to a meditation

685
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,279
group

686
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,120
put it in the on a chair in the middle

687
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,520
of the circle of the meditation group

688
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:55,760
and ask them to please focus good

689
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,400
intentions on the wine

690
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:00,799
and what we discovered in the uh i did

691
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,600
this 12 times over a series of years

692
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,720
and what i discovered was that the

693
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,760
people

694
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,360
who

695
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:10,960
tasted the wines

696
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,080
in 11 out of the 12 cases always picked

697
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,480
the treated wines the wines had been

698
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,240
focused of

699
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,480
therapeutic contention

700
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:23,440
and this confirms the emoto work my

701
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:26,399
earlier water work and raiden's work

702
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,840
he similarly did a a an experiment in

703
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:31,679
which he had people

704
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,399
uh

705
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,799
take he took bars of chi i've got

706
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:35,840
chocolate

707
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,880
one was the target of intention

708
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:43,360
awareness by a buddhist monks

709
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:46,399
and the other was just the controls and

710
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,799
he asked people to eat the ch eat the

711
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,240
chocolate

712
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,549
and he measured

713
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:57,360
their sense of well-being

714
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,720
and what he discovered and reported on

715
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,399
was that

716
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,760
those

717
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:06,080
pieces of the chocolate that were the

718
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,520
focus of

719
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,080
therapeutic awareness

720
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,480
non-local focused intention

721
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,799
were perceived as being making people

722
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,640
feel happier and they felt a greater

723
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,320
well-being

724
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,080
and so you can see

725
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,320
how in religions

726
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:25,279
these rituals that involve water and

727
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:28,240
wine and things like that

728
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,840
um

729
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,240
didn't just develop randomly but they

730
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,120
are a kind of empirical science

731
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,440
where that developed because

732
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,440
even though they didn't have objective

733
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,000
measurement and p values and all that

734
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,880
people over the generations did notice

735
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,200
that when people focused in therapeutic

736
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,000
contention intentioned awareness

737
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:51,760
on a substance

738
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:55,039
that it not only changed it in some way

739
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:56,720
which they couldn't at that time measure

740
00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:59,760
but it also had an effect on how people

741
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,399
felt and their aesthetic appreciation of

742
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:06,549
so

743
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,279
this goes on even down to

744
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,880
um

745
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,640
if you uh

746
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,720
uh look at

747
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,720
how

748
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:18,640
religions operate

749
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:21,679
you can see that not only

750
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,360
our religions they'd like special places

751
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:27,760
and those places because they become

752
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,880
more numinous so there is a change

753
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:32,880
i think what's going on there is a

754
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,159
change in the informational architecture

755
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,520
non-locally

756
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,520
uh that non-local information

757
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,720
architecture

758
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:42,880
of which that building

759
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:45,200
the structure cathedral for instance is

760
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,640
in fact a physical manifestation

761
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,159
now i'm going to run out of time before

762
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,559
i can get into all of this but what i

763
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,559
will do very quickly before

764
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,880
because i see my times run out

765
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:59,279
is you can see this down to the way

766
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,320
letters are formed

767
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,360
or

768
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,720
um

769
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,039
the shape of the letters

770
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:10,080
you can see why for instance

771
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,520
uh tonkas in in buddhism these kind of

772
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,000
spiritual telephone booths

773
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:19,120
of why these things have power why

774
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:19,919
um

775
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,120
rosaries have power you have a blessed

776
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,679
rosary and you're every time you focus

777
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,840
on it you're making it more numinous for

778
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:29,039
yourself

779
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:29,840
so

780
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,200
as you look at religions and peel back

781
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,480
through them

782
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,399
down to the fundamentals of what they're

783
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,039
doing get forgetting the dogma

784
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,559
what you get

785
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:42,960
is that these are empirical sciences

786
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:45,440
which have been confirmed now

787
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,399
by

788
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,039
uh non-local consciousness scientific

789
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,559
research that that religion and science

790
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,960
in a way have gotten to the same place

791
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,600
by very different roots

792
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,080
and so i think when we think about

793
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,640
religion and we think about spiritual

794
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,240
practices

795
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,320
we need to realize what they are

796
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:07,760
actually doing

797
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:10,880
and why they play the role that they do

798
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,440
in our cultures throughout the world

799
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:15,200
throughout history

800
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,669
thank you stephen uh i think the word

801
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,039
you were trying to come up with was the

802
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:25,679
sanctification ceremony for the wine

803
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,279
where the or the blessing of the

804
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:28,960
eucharist where the where they're

805
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,000
changing the water into wine um somebody

806
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:35,039
tell me no it's um

807
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,470
went up to the oh i didn't mean to throw

808
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,919
you off there it's just

809
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,600
well the word will come to me of course

810
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,399
a minute of course

811
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,720
i'll do any questions you want to do now

812
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:51,360
okay i i love the way you reach back to

813
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,320
bring forward this this same communion

814
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:57,039
is what we were talking about

815
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,640
okay yes

816
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,640
and so um but i love the way you reach

817
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:03,120
back to the past and you can see the

818
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:04,720
same types of things that we're doing

819
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,120
currently and you know of course

820
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:10,080
these guys aren't easy with questions

821
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:11,279
so

822
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,880
when you're talking about uh each

823
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,200
religion having uh this non-local

824
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,600
experience being a foundation question

825
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,600
what do you who do you identify in

826
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,399
judaism or in shinto that might be the

827
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,720
single founder

828
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,919
well

829
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:27,840
um judaism

830
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,559
it's it's more complicated because

831
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,880
it isn't clear who actually began

832
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:34,159
judaism

833
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,360
um

834
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:36,799
there are several

835
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,760
personalities that play a role

836
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:40,880
um

837
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,159
but for so i can't i i don't have a

838
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:46,880
a single person answer

839
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,760
but for instance you look at look at um

840
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,679
mormonism

841
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,519
joseph smith claims he goes to the

842
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,279
sacred grove

843
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,120
meditates and has this spiritual

844
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:58,559
experience

845
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,600
so you see it i i can't think of any

846
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,000
enduring religion

847
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:06,320
that um

848
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,440
that doesn't

849
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,320
begin in this way now maybe somebody has

850
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,799
got one that i haven't thought of

851
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:15,039
but um

852
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,720
well the other question was shinto and

853
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,720
i'm not familiar with shinto's

854
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:20,000
background but

855
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,840
are you or do you give it you're not

856
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,120
sufficiently uh

857
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,679
hinduism i looked into that you can't

858
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:29,039
get anywhere

859
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,320
there's uh and shintoism

860
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:34,880
um i have not explored that one in the

861
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,230
there was a

862
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:41,840
uh quote

863
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:44,640
by pentanjali which said the more

864
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,120
circumstances are against you the more

865
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:50,399
manifest becomes your inner power

866
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,360
can you can you comment on that

867
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,279
say it again

868
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,559
the more circumstances are against you

869
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,120
the more manifest becomes your inner

870
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,720
power

871
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,000
well

872
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,480
that is the presumption that if you are

873
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,480
if you are practicing

874
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,480
meditation

875
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:12,320
and if you look at

876
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:13,520
um

877
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,800
religion if you look at people who have

878
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,200
scientists for instance who have

879
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,520
who are responsible for great creative

880
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,200
breakthroughs

881
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,760
you know ponca ray says i he walked

882
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:31,119
across the

883
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,040
the street and he while he was doing

884
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,200
that he had a vision that ex that

885
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,359
explained to him the mathematics for

886
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,599
which he became so famous

887
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:42,399
descartes says he has three dreams in um

888
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,040
germany in 1619 and out of that becomes

889
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:49,679
becomes his mathematical insights

890
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,720
einstein says he was whiling away an

891
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:54,159
afternoon

892
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:58,000
in a canoe after being sick when he got

893
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,520
he suddenly had a revelation about uh

894
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,960
relativity

895
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,160
um

896
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:07,119
i was talking to jonas salk once at a

897
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,320
conference

898
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,720
and we were walking across the

899
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,960
salk institute

900
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,040
and i said where did you get the idea

901
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,280
for the vaccine

902
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,520
and he said in a dream

903
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,760
just like kolka's dream

904
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:23,680
i had a dream and i went into the lab

905
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,800
and said let's do this and it worked

906
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,320
um

907
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,880
i mean they're just endless cases

908
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:32,640
that show that

909
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:35,200
spiritual epiphanies

910
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:36,960
scientific

911
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:39,200
breakthrough insights

912
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,320
or

913
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,720
mundane things like describing a teacup

914
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:44,640
in a closet

915
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,440
are all exactly the same experience as

916
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:50,160
the people experience them

917
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:53,200
the difference is context and intention

918
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,320
so if you are the target of of a lot of

919
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,880
negative stuff

920
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:01,200
and and things are going against you

921
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:02,400
your

922
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,920
ability to stay focused

923
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:06,720
and

924
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:09,280
to sustain in intention-focused

925
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,320
awareness

926
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:12,000
gives you the strength and the

927
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,200
conviction

928
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:16,320
to continue and and if you look at the

929
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:17,839
histories of

930
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,160
of spiritual leaders and all of the

931
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,720
the negative attacks and things that

932
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,720
they undergo

933
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,000
you can see

934
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:30,480
that that what kept them going

935
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:31,440
was

936
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,640
would have never pulled that from that

937
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,720
quote but it's a great great way to

938
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,440
evaluate it so um i just want to try to

939
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,680
get two more questions in here if we can

940
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,440
and one is that you were talking about

941
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:51,119
sacred spaces

942
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:52,720
and wiccan

943
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,359
create they do not have their a constant

944
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,599
sacred space but they create a space

945
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:59,200
wherever they are meeting i was

946
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,400
wondering if you could relate that to

947
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,079
non-locality

948
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:04,320
well it's the same thing

949
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:05,359
you know the

950
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:06,839
the wiccans

951
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:10,320
are when i think about wiccans

952
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,359
um

953
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,359
they remind me most of all of the

954
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:15,200
etruscans

955
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,560
very few people know anything about the

956
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,800
etruscans the etruscans predate the

957
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,920
romans

958
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:21,440
in fact uh

959
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,599
the etruscans had a school of

960
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,200
clairvoyance

961
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,440
which was so impressive

962
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,359
that when rome had conquered the 12

963
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:31,599
etruscan cities they still kept

964
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,000
this clairvoyance school going because

965
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,400
it was so impressive

966
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,000
so when you

967
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:40,240
look at the wiccans at the uh oh and the

968
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,760
etruscans used uh oak groves now the

969
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,760
reason they used oak groves

970
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:47,920
is that oak groves get hit by lightning

971
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:51,200
more than other species of trees

972
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:52,000
in

973
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,800
and uh there's a long discussion of why

974
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,640
that happens but in any case

975
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,320
what the wiccans are doing is they

976
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,119
recognize that where you go you've you

977
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:05,280
meet and hold

978
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,560
focused intention

979
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,520
you create sacred space

980
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:13,599
and they have certain things that they

981
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:14,800
look for

982
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,839
at least all the wiccans i've talked to

983
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,440
mostly women

984
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:21,200
there are certain things that they look

985
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,320
for

986
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,000
when they uh

987
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,640
are trying to do a gathering

988
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,520
and a time and i mean there is a ritual

989
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,040
of their choice

990
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,079
but it is about creating sacred space

991
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,320
now they don't think of it as you're

992
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,240
making it more numinous and you know

993
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,720
this is objectively measurable

994
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:42,720
that's not how they think of it but when

995
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:45,520
i have talked with wiccans

996
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,510
yes it does sound very similar to the

997
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:53,280
way that oftentimes

998
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,960
mediums clear a space or hold a space

999
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,560
for a group that they might be working

1000
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,880
with so it sounds very very similar so

1001
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,640
stephen i only have one more question i

1002
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,000
appreciate you've been very generous

1003
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,119
with your time um you know besides this

1004
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,520
non-locality that you identify as

1005
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:11,359
starting the religions

1006
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:14,800
nearly every religion also deals with

1007
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,200
what happens after death do you see that

1008
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,119
related to the non-locality or do you

1009
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:21,359
see this as a different discussion all

1010
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,400
together that we're not going to be able

1011
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,200
to get into tonight no i actually i

1012
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,480
think i i thought i said that earlier

1013
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:30,960
um when you look at religions they all

1014
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,440
have this idea you know when i started

1015
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,760
doing this research about 20 years ago

1016
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,240
and by the way i got started in this

1017
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,640
because of a paper of charlie tarts that

1018
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,200
i read that was published in let me

1019
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:44,720
think a minute

1020
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:47,599
uh was published in science

1021
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:50,640
in june of 1972.

1022
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:54,000
it was called uh states of consciousness

1023
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:54,880
and

1024
00:40:03,270 --> 00:39:59,359
science

1025
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,280
anyway

1026
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:04,880
charlie was the one who originally got

1027
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,359
me started in this because

1028
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,040
the point he's making he wrote a book

1029
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,040
also called

1030
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,359
altered states of consciousness but

1031
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,520
the point was that he got me thinking

1032
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:17,680
way back in 72

1033
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,800
i had been

1034
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,040
studying on all of the

1035
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:22,800
i spent five years reading all of the

1036
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,480
edgar cayce readings all 15 000 of them

1037
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,160
and then i read everything that had ever

1038
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,560
been published about parapsychology that

1039
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,280
any university had so i read all the

1040
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:35,119
journals and

1041
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,920
and

1042
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,599
there were things that i thought were

1043
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,079
strangely missing

1044
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,400
the decline of fact of course is part of

1045
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,119
it but they didn't seem to really grasp

1046
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:46,800
or grapple with

1047
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:49,599
the idea that charlie brought forward

1048
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:51,040
that um

1049
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,319
these are states of consciousness

1050
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,480
and and so when you

1051
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:59,359
when you think about that you ask i i

1052
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,640
ask myself

1053
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,280
why would all religions believe in

1054
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,440
continuity of consciousness i don't know

1055
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,680
of a single religion that says when you

1056
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,920
die that's it period dead meat no

1057
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,359
consciousness

1058
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,800
i can't think of one i don't know maybe

1059
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,319
somebody knows one

1060
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,720
so why is that i mean whether you're in

1061
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:18,960
africa or asia

1062
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:24,000
or the native americans or

1063
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,359
somewhere down in south america whatever

1064
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,599
this idea of the continuity of

1065
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:31,200
consciousness

1066
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,400
i think arises because as i said

1067
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,960
this is an empiric these are empirical

1068
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:38,079
sciences

1069
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,520
that develop

1070
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,760
not because of objective measurement the

1071
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,000
way we do it in science but because of

1072
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,079
observation i mean you look at auravedic

1073
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:49,280
medicine for instance or acupuncture

1074
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,839
those are medical practices which work

1075
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:55,839
how did they develop them they developed

1076
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,280
them over generations of one teacher

1077
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,200
saying to his students if you do this

1078
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:03,520
this is what will happen and the student

1079
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,560
does it

1080
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:06,960
and it does happen and so he tells his

1081
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,760
students later on if you do this this

1082
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:11,200
will happen

1083
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,560
and out of that i think it was because

1084
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,800
people had non-local consciousness

1085
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:19,040
experiences i mean if you think about it

1086
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:25,430
what happens

1087
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,800
you you meet at the appointed time

1088
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:31,280
in the appointed place

1089
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:39,430
commentary you don't that's not it

1090
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:43,200
you you have a singing drumming chanting

1091
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,640
why well andrew newberg tells us why

1092
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:49,440
because those things cause brain in

1093
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,960
training

1094
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:53,280
all the brains of all the people linked

1095
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,800
together

1096
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,040
and all sort of going up and down in the

1097
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:00,000
same way so they are joining together

1098
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:03,200
for common intention and then there is a

1099
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:04,319
period

1100
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,680
when

1101
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,359
some but not all

1102
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,200
and not always

1103
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,200
and unpredictably

1104
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,680
individuals in the community

1105
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:16,160
have public non-local consciousness

1106
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:19,440
experiences speaking in tongues prophecy

1107
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:20,800
healing

1108
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,839
and then

1109
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,400
there is a re-commitment to gather again

1110
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,119
at another time so

1111
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,309
all of the religions have this same

1112
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:35,040
sequence of events

1113
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:36,160
in which

1114
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:37,119
the

1115
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,790
well stephen it's been it's been great

1116
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,480
exploring this with you tonight and i

1117
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:51,040
can tell we could well oftentimes we do

1118
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:52,560
when we see each other speak about these

1119
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:53,920
things for hours

1120
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,119
but i i we have used up your time i